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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 7:05 am Post subject: Public Smoking Bans |
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My city has banned public smoking in businesses, but should the government be allowed to control businesses in that way? After all, it is my business.
To keep this topic open, I'll respond to comments as people make them. |
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Jazza88 One bored individual


Age: 20 Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Posts: 131 Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:16 am Post subject: |
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| City got no right to ban smoking in 'private' businesses. If the owner of the business has no problem with smoking then why should the city ban it from his property. Any large businesses though should be smokefree or have particular smoking areas |
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Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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| I agree with that. The majority of fast food restaurants have been smoke free in my area for awhile before the ban and I really can't think of an area that allowed smoking that was a large business except for ones where you'd expect to find people smoking. |
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queenbebe08 young, gifted, and Black


Age: 18 Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 348 Location: Chi-town
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:29 am Post subject: |
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well since the businesses are in business as a service to the ppl then the ppl should be able to go to a smokefree business if that's what they want. those little half an half, smoke on this side, and no smoke on this side have never ever worked anyway. as if the smoke doesnt drift into the other side...
i think cigarettes themselves need to be banned. there's no positive side effects to them other than "looking cool" or whatever ppl smoke for |
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queenbebe08 young, gifted, and Black


Age: 18 Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 348 Location: Chi-town
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| either way the business might be at risk of losing customers---either the ones that smoke or the ones that dont like smoke |
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:41 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | well since the businesses are in business as a service to the ppl then the ppl should be able to go to a smokefree business if that's what they want. |
So if businesses didn't want alochol served in their town, they have the right to close down all the private bars? Governmnet shouldn't control how businesses run their business.
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i think cigarettes themselves need to be banned. there's no positive side effects to them other than "looking cool" or whatever ppl smoke for |
Yes, because history has shown that a ban of a product is extremely effective! </sarcasm>
| Quote: | | either way the business might be at risk of losing customers---either the ones that smoke or the ones that dont like smoke |
Yes, but if the business owners know that. Why should they lose Kay's business to gain Joe's? If they don't want to change, then they shouldn't be forced to. |
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queenbebe08 young, gifted, and Black


Age: 18 Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 348 Location: Chi-town
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 2:03 am Post subject: |
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| Asriya wrote: | | So if businesses didn't want alochol served in their town, they have the right to close down all the private bars? Governmnet shouldn't control how businesses run their business. |
majority rules in a democracy...
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Yes, because history has shown that a ban of a product is extremely effective! </sarcasm> |
the same way that not banning things is effective
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Yes, but if the business owners know that. Why should they lose Kay's business to gain Joe's? If they don't want to change, then they shouldn't be forced to. |
u think they really care? all they want is money so if Joe is paying more... |
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| queenbebe08 wrote: | | Asriya wrote: | | So if businesses didn't want alochol served in their town, they have the right to close down all the private bars? Governmnet shouldn't control how businesses run their business. |
majority rules in a democracy... |
So if a majority should want, let's say your house, you should be perfectly okay with that? Plus, the majority does not win always.
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Yes, because history has shown that a ban of a product is extremely effective! </sarcasm> |
the same way that not banning things is effective |
Prohobition was so effective! I mean, the crime rate dropped and people stopped drinking! The rate of organized crime didn't jump through the roof either! </sarcasm>
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Yes, but if the business owners know that. Why should they lose Kay's business to gain Joe's? If they don't want to change, then they shouldn't be forced to. |
u think they really care? all they want is money so if Joe is paying more... |
Would Joe be paying more because of the price increase due to the loss of smokers? Do you really think the amount of nonsmokers going to a certain bar will suddenly jump enough to cover the loss of original patrons? Maybe Joe will switch bars, but chances are he's already found a bar that is smoke-free by choice and doesn't want to switch to Moe's. |
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queenbebe08 young, gifted, and Black


Age: 18 Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 348 Location: Chi-town
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 10:22 am Post subject: |
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well in a democracy majority usually wins
| Quote: | | Prohobition was so effective! I mean, the crime rate dropped and people stopped drinking! The rate of organized crime didn't jump through the roof either! </sarcasm> |
when a debate becomes acromonious it loses its subject matter and throws ppl off track by presenting abstract ideas that dont have a direct connection to the issue. like what does organized crime have to do with non-smoking areas. oh well, maybe it made sense to you...
anyway, i doubt that if the customers really like the restaurant or bar they'd freak out over not being able to smoke for a mere 2 hours. its not like they have to live in the restaurant. they cant go 2 hours? just for dinner or a drink? u act as if they'd made them go cold turkey or something. how much time do ppl spend out at a restaurant or store? i'd say an average of 2 hours at the most. besides its the more considerate thing to do since not everyone smokes and not everyone wants to die an early death. its everyone's air. we all have to breathe it. r they that addicted to a cigarette? they cant go 2 hrs? c'mon! its just 2 hrs. how drastic is that?
i say i'm addicted to music but i can go 2 hrs w/o it. i'd probably start itching but i doubt i'd die...
just kidding i'd actually die
but the average person wouldnt. thats just me |
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Quote: | | Prohobition was so effective! I mean, the crime rate dropped and people stopped drinking! The rate of organized crime didn't jump through the roof either! </sarcasm> |
when a debate becomes acromonious it loses its subject matter and throws ppl off track by presenting abstract ideas that dont have a direct connection to the issue. like what does organized crime have to do with non-smoking areas. oh well, maybe it made sense to you...
Organized crime rate jumped when alochol was banned. You said:
| Quote: | | i think cigarettes themselves need to be banned. there's no positive side effects to them other than "looking cool" or whatever ppl smoke for |
I therefore answered that history has shown that there have been negative effects by banning a substance that was once legal.
Yes, but it is the store owner's right to decide whether or not they want a legal practice in their store. It's not discriminating against anyone since anyone can come into the bar if they like regardless of health issues. It would be like saying that the government can force owners to cook only with olive oil. The health benefits are better! I mean, how often do you eat the restaurant or bar? Once or twice a week at the most?
As for smoking, sheep and cows put more air pollution in the air. You're right about it being everyone's air, the government shouldn't force a place to become smoke-free. It should be left to the owner.
What's really annoying would be when non-smokers go up to smokers and tell them to stop smoking. It's extremely rude. |
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queenbebe08 young, gifted, and Black


Age: 18 Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 348 Location: Chi-town
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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:44 am Post subject: |
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oh well
the reason ppl are so much against smoking as opposed to restaurants cooking grease is b/c more ppl die of cigarettes than cooking grease, and maybe ppl just wanna save a few lives. im sure olive oil isnt that far down the line either. i heard not to long ago that McDonalds started using it in place of the other oil they were using which had tons of fat in it
as for the sheeps and cows...
i suppose ur referring to them flatulating releasing methane or some other gas. well, i think more ppl would rather have that than smokers. how often do u run into a cow farting in your face as opposed to somebody blowing cigarette smoke in ur face?
and i've never enjoyed cigarette smoke so i suppose thats why i think it should be banned as opposed to organized crime or whatever but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. btw i've never told any smokers to put out a cigarette. most of the places i go to are already smoke-free b/c i'm 16 and i hope it stays that way. but on occassions maybe i might see someone at the bus stop, but i'd simply go to another stop if its bothering me that much. should all customers have to do this though? u'd find a bus stop a lot quicker than u'd find another favorite restaurant |
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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 6:43 am Post subject: |
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Yes, but those people choose to die of cigarettes. Plus, you can avoid people who are 'blowing smoke in your face' by either not standing near them or by not going into restaurants that aren't smoke-free. Yes it will take more effort on your part, but it's the business owner's right to decide what kind of place he wants to run.
Look at it this way. Why was alcohol such a profitable business during prohibition? People wanted it and consumed more of it, and since it was illegal, they needed to make their own or go through alternate sources. Those alternate sources could make some money by selling the banned item and that's why organized crime rose a great deal during Prohibition. We see it now with the drug trade. If we make drugs legal, who would go and buy drugs on the street? Who buys cigarettes on the street besides teenagers?
Well it might be easier to make everything smoke-free, I am worried for the government to set a precedent for controlling restaurants. Where will it stop? Should the government have this kind of say in private businesses? |
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queenbebe08 young, gifted, and Black


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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:57 am Post subject: |
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everyone knows that if ur in an enclosed area it doesnt matter how far u stand away from a smoker, the smoke will still get to u.
considering the fact that nicotene is a drug it should be regulated in that way as well as alcohol which is also a drug. it doesnt matter if its legal or was legal or whatever. b/c if thats the case then we may as well legalize crack, meth, heroin along with other drugs. even prescription drugs that ppl get high off of like morphine. and what about cough syrup??? they're regulating that by not letting anyone under 18 buy it. if they can tell me i cant purchase some cough syrup when i have a cold then i should be able to tell them that i dont wanna be around smokers when i go out to eat. |
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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe the person who is under 18 and doesn't want to be aroudn smoke shouldn't go to places where it puts them at risk. If I don't want to get sick from smoke, I simply ask for take out.
| Quote: | | considering the fact that nicotene is a drug it should be regulated in that way as well as alcohol which is also a drug. |
Exactly how is it not regulated? People under 18 can't buy it.
| Quote: | | if they can tell me i cant purchase some cough syrup when i have a cold then i should be able to tell them that i dont wanna be around smokers when i go out to eat |
Hm, so if I can't legally drink, I can walk up to people at a restaurant that I know serves alcohol and ask them to stop drinking because I don't want to be around people that are drinking? I can't drink and the people who are drinking could get drunk and start a fight or possibly run me over in the parking lot! Try and tell me that's not a danger to my health. |
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queenbebe08 young, gifted, and Black


Age: 18 Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 348 Location: Chi-town
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:56 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Maybe the person who is under 18 and doesn't want to be aroudn smoke shouldn't go to places where it puts them at risk. If I don't want to get sick from smoke, I simply ask for take out. |
so just b/c ppl r smoking i have to order take out instead of going out to eat?
| Quote: | | Exactly how is it not regulated? People under 18 can't buy it. |
it should be illegal
| Quote: | | Hm, so if I can't legally drink, I can walk up to people at a restaurant that I know serves alcohol and ask them to stop drinking because I don't want to be around people that are drinking? |
thats a stupid question b/c if ur under 21 u cant go into an area that serves alcohol anyway. or the bar would be separated to keep ppl under age from entering the prohibited are which would be the area thats serving the alcohol
| Quote: | | I can't drink and the people who are drinking could get drunk and start a fight or possibly run me over in the parking lot! |
notice how they have laws against drinking and driving and security to break up fights not to mention the police (911)
why r u hanging around drunk ppl anyway if u cant drink yourself? you've endangered ur own health right there. while me on the other hand would have no way of knowing that i'm gonna run into someone smoking on my way to school or something |
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